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In reply to this comment by GenjiKilpatrick:
heh, yeah. i can see where you're coming from. Tho i would only hope to pick your brain as to what gives you that optimism.

I think i was in the same frame of mind when i voted for him. But after lots of sitting on his hands and the gop stalling everything it just makes me feel like a sellout that i voted that way. like i should have known better.

so politely could i ask, what helps you maintain those expectations? O_o?


Oh, not expectations, not at all. But hope, I would say. I simply feel that if you don't hope for the best, then what is the point of living? I try to see all aspects of life that way. Otherwise, I'd just be depressed all the time and that would really suck.

And whenever I see Obama failing to do something we want him to, I just remember that the alternative was McCain; we'd probably be in a war with Iran by now, with the nuclear option right out on the table. Obama may be waffling, but McCain would be charging straight down the path to destruction, just like Bush was doing.

That cheers me up.


written by MaxWilder  | 1 month ago | CH
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>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
I think you may have missed my point a bit. =/

Of course if this somehow transforms Barack into the president I was hoping (and voted) for then awesome!
I understand that, to some, this marks an international "holding his feet to the fire".

My point is, more then likely, it won't.
In other words, awards praise and hope do not make the forces subduing real change flee.
If so:
Bush would have been impeached.
Cheney would be in jail.
We'd have begun reversing melting icecaps.
And we all would only have to work one job while driving tesla sportscars.

The second part was to acknowledge the absurdity and question the validity of awarding someone a PEACE prize when their actions obviously don't promote True PEACE.

Are those observations without merit? Am I deranged for contemplating something other then roses and sunshine?


There's a big difference between saying "It probably won't work but I can see why they tried" and saying "It's not a magic pill. It won't fix anything."

I would like to encourage those who push Obama towards peace, while your words seem to imply that we should all just give up. Or at the very least you seem to be claiming knowledge that giving him the Nobel Prize can't possibly help. Why should we not use all available resources to encourage him to make his actions suit his words?

I know that there are people pulling the president's strings, but I believe he has the ability to resist them and guide the world back to a state of peace if we keep putting pressure on him.


written by MaxWilder  | 1 month ago | CH
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If Fox "News" Channel wanted to report actual news they'd be directly involved with local stations.

Every major market has a local FOX station with a local FOX News broadcast from a local FOX affiliate. The local stations all have local news shows, and in prime time they broadcast a 'national' news show. The rest of their programming is filled with entertainment, drama, comedy, etc... You are going to have to explain exactly how what FOX is doing is any different than what the other big-3 channels are doing if you are going to have any kind of discussion here.

Cable news is a whole different animal. They roll 24/7 and constantly mix commentary, opinion and 'news' all together in one big hodge-podge. Cable news is a wasteland of poor quality, slap-dash drive-through journalism, and carnival barkers. That includes MSNBC and CNN as well as FOX.

Nonetheless, to say because CNN and MSNBC aren't true journalist networks either - and then somehow lump in everyother news outlet

Here you start entering a realm of personal interpretation where bias and opinion dictate what is or isn't a 'lie'. I would say that CNN, MSNBC, and FOX news all 'lie' in the sense that they present stilted, biased information and pretend it is 'news'. Cable news is awful that way. The stuff on the affiliates is more staid, but bias creeps in there as well though it is not so blatant or volumetric.

...It's okay for Fox News to straight up LIE, doctor pictures, and rally the neo con fringe into such a frenzy that they kill police officers and ob/gyns is a terrible argument. They lie, cheat, purposely exaggerate, shout down their interviewees, endorse violence, war, racism, bigotry and outright hatred of anything not stamped 'Fox Approved'. They then attempt to call themselves fair and balanced.. and try to sue you if you say otherwise.

You see - here is where I have a hard time taking you seriously. I see no distinction between what FOX (cable) News does, and the stuff on MSNBC & CNN. They're both filled with opinions and bias of such a polarizing caliber that it is impossible to consider any of them to be 'news' so much as 'infotainment'. But you are saying FOX is somehow in a different realm and I can only ascribe that position to your own personal bias. Every fault you lay at FOX News' feet can be applied with equal accuracy to CNN or MSNBC. But some of your stuff is clearly hyperbole and not meant to be taken seriously.

But if you consider yourself an objective viewer/citizen you'd realize that not only is Fox "News" extremely bias in it's "reporting" it's hurtful to the greater public interest of unity and honesty.

Uh - on what exact planet does 'public interest of unity & honesty' outweigh the right to freedom of speech? I find every single news channel to be hurtful to the greater public interest. I would love to strip them all of their ability to communicate anything except dry, basic facts. But freedom comes with strings attatched, and you take the good with the bad. Tell me - is your opinion of FOX such that you would advocate shutting it down, but leaving CNN & MSNBC alone? Does that not indicate a rather biased approach?


written by Winstonfield_Pennypacker  | 1 month ago | CH
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From NPR:
The Norwegian committee that awards the prize said that Obama had "captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future." Committee Chairman Thorbjoern Jagland acknowledged that the award was more for Obama's aspirations than for his achievements: "It was because we would like to support what he is trying to achieve."

So do us all a favor and stop bitching about it ok ?

In reply to this comment by GenjiKilpatrick:
Barack Obama hasn't done anything. At all.
He could easily write executive orders to: stop corporate thievery, end don't ask don't tell, or proceed with war crime prosecution(aka justice). Snl summed it up perfectly.

He's a do-nothing president and hasn't earned our trust or respect, much less a supposedly highly honorable award.



written by JiggaJonson  | 1 month 2 weeks ago | CH
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Hi Genji- Just wanted to tell you I love your avatar. Gave me a good chuckle.


written by lucky760  | 4 months ago | CH
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